He is committed to progressing the diaconate and already works closely with Joy Gilliver (head of discernment) and Helen Fraser (head of vocations). He wants to future-proof how the NMT works with DDs. Meanwhile, he offered to keep an open channel with me and Deacon Liz Carrington (York) To listen to responses from DDs to this discussion (send to me at deacons@tutanota.com) And if we wish, he would be happy to speak at a DD conference. So plenty of green shoots and signs of hope for us.